I've been looking forward to sharing today's conversation with you for quite a while!
Erin Weidemann is the founder of Truth Becomes Her, a brand that equips moms and women with resources to help them step into their unique leadership roles. A sought-after homeschool consultant, certified teacher, coach, and nationally-recognized speaker, Erin’s personal mission is to shift the conversation around feminine values from being beauty-driven, to a focus on inherent worth.
An on-air personality for Air1 Radio, Erin delivers “59 Seconds of Hope” daily as well as hosts the Heroes For Her Podcast where she interviews positive female role models who are living out their passions in-line with their personal values.
She is the author of eight books, including the best-selling Bible Belles series, The Adventures of Rooney Cruz which has sold hundreds of thousands of copies worldwide. Erin is a five-time cancer survivor, and lives and homeschools in San Diego, CA with her husband, Brent, and their daughter, Rooney.
Let's give a big welcome to Erin Weidemann!
Okay, Erin, I am so excited to have you on the show today. We had so much fun even before hitting record, or you'd talk in for 10 or 15 minutes, and I'm just so excited to get to know you more through this conversation. And one thing, this is not on our, our list of questions, but I'm excited to talk to listeners about it because they'll know why.
This question kind of points back to some things I've been through. So I shared with you before we hit record just about the last year of life for me and my husband and kind of what that has looked like for us. And you, you laughed and you said, Oh, wow, let me tell you about the first year of our marriage and kind of what that looks like and how God met you guys in that season.
And. It was so good that I'd love for you to share that with listeners, because I so related to so much of it. So would you care to just jump off and tell us a little bit about how marriage started for you? Oh yeah. I mean, I never planned on or expected to get married because I had dealt with some like previous medical issues and my husband and I met.
Right in the middle of like my second or third cancer diagnosis, it's all kind of lumped together. But we dated and got married, like in the middle of surgery and quarantine, radiation, treatments, and therapy. And so we, we dove into our relationship. Like he dove in and I was more like dragging my heels the whole time going, Oh my gosh, this is so challenging.
We're already struggling to do this myself, but then here's this guy who's coming alongside me. Like, yeah. Love on me and can see the future for our relationship. I was just at best like during that season, but when, when we talked a second ago, so we finally get married and then the first year of our marriage, I think he was think it's going to be, you know, just like this extended honeymoon, you're going to have a great time.
You're going to get to know each other. Yeah. And there were going to be these issues. You're gonna unpack all your friends that you got. And I remember, you know, it was the first year I came home and I got a full time job teaching at high school, close by so excited to start my teaching career. It was like I was all amped up.
And three days into the school year, he came home Monday. He was just like, so don't panic, but I got laid off today. Yeah. And I went from like riding the wave of, Oh, this is so amazing. And like everything's firing and our relationships is, and we're married and everything's starting to, Oh, okay. So right away I went, okay, let me get an additional job.
Like, I'll start coaching. And I started nannying for a little while and I instantly went into like all bear the weight of all the extra pressure inside our financial situation. Not knowing. Oh, maybe we need to work together in a different way, or we needed some likewise councils come alongside us, like some other seasoned, married people.
And we had that happen. Like. Years afterwards. Yeah. Who finally said, Oh, Hey, like maybe you should have thought about doing it this way. And we just, we didn't realize that, but I'm super grateful for that challenge at the early part of our marriage. Cause it, you know, adversity and all these things that are tough things.
And even the timeframe we're in now, like these are preparing us. For you growth in this season and then looking forward to the next season and doing things differently and challenging each other and all the good things that come from suffering through hard stuff. So I'm grateful for that season, but man, at the time, I wasn't grateful.
I was kind of resentful and just, you know, felt, feeling the pressure of like, do I have to do this all on my own? It was just hard. Yeah. It is hard. And I think what people don't prepare you for is the first year of marriage is just hard. It doesn't matter. You know, it doesn't matter what life throws, you, you know, learning each other, learning how to resolve conflict and learning how to love each other well, and figuring out like, I did my quiet time before I went to bed before we got married.
But like, I just want to snuggle you right now. And so like, what does that look like? You know, they're just, they're just things that you, you don't think about or plan for, even in premarital counseling that you get in the thick of it. And you're like, Holy cow. What do I do with this? And then, you know, something like a global pandemic or a lost job or something gets thrown your way.
And it is just, you just really learn how to one lean into the Lord, but do that together, you know? And I think the beautiful thing and. You know, what I hear in your story is, you know, you looked up one day, you were running your race. You were undergoing a lot of, kind of health stuff in your life, but it's like, you look over one day and there's a guy running beside you.
And it's like, okay, okay, Lord, we're called, you're calling us to run our races together. And that's. That's a beautiful thing. I always hated when people would say that to me when I was single, like, you're just gonna look up one day and you're going to, you're going to look to your left and you're gonna see him and it's going to be this magical thing.
And, um, I don't know, that always really annoyed me when I was waiting when I was in the waiting season until it actually happened. And. I don't know, God is just so good and so faithful, but, uh, but yeah, they were just hard. The first year of marriage is hard, but, but God is good. I'm curious, as you were talking, are you into the Enneagram?
Do you know what your number is? Yes, so I, I took the test and I'm like, I think I'm a five, but it felt very ambiguous. Cause I like the one spoke to me and I feel like 10 years ago me would be like, yeah, I'm a one. Yeah. But I know, like, I don't know if it's concrete or whatever, but I just remember taking it, being like, Oh, mine is ambiguous.
And it's like, it couldn't land on a, on a number for me, but I think I landed somewhere in the fives. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. I only have one friend that's a five and the way that I've learned the Enneagram is I, which they say not to do this, but I have a person in my life that is, that is each number.
And so like when I think about them, it helps me learn about, you know, that. That quality or whatever. Um, it's three, which is an achiever. And so as you were talking about like, okay, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna do all the things and I'm going to provide. And all of that, it made me think like, Ooh, she's got a little bit of three in her because that is.
That is me as well. So, no, I love the Enneagram. It's, it's fun to talk about as just a tool to, to learn yourself and your spouse better. It's really helped us kind of navigate motives behind, you know, why we do what we do and all that good stuff. So it's fun. But why sometimes we're at odds inside conversations where you're like, Oh, you're coming at it this way.
It's really like a lesson in. Yeah, empathy, right. To be able to ask questions and go, okay. Really? Like, can I be curious about your perspective and not just try to explain to you why my feelings are the right ones, then we need to be listening to so such as such as marriage for sure. Exactly. Well, so when I heard you speak, as she speaks, which we talked about before I hit record, I listeners, I pulled out my old notebook from this conference that I heard Erin speak at.
She did a session on testimony writing, and I told her and I'll, and I'll brag on her. And this is a shameless plug to an event that I super love. She did a phenomenal job. You know, if you've been to a conference, I think we've all been to sessions where we've been spurred on and inspired and motivated, but I walk out of the door and I think, I don't really know what to do with anything that she just said.
Well, I came to Aaron's session on testimony writing, and it was just one of the most practical things I think I got throughout the conference. Um, all the sessions were awesome. The, she speaks conference by the Proverbs 31 team is, is where it was. It's a phenomenal event. If you're looking for something to really develop the writer, the writer and the speaker in you.
Um, but this is where I was first introduced to Aaron years ago. And in that session, I learned that she is a cancer survivor five times. I have time cancer survivor. And at that point in my life, we were about three years on the other side of my mom's breast cancer journey. So my mom's a breast cancer survivor, and we actually just, this week celebrated at the time of this recording her five year Mark from when she finished radiology.
So that's been really special to celebrate, but. That being said, I love talking to cancer survivors. I love hearing what God taught you, what he taught you about the brevity of life and just how he used what you've been through for his glory. And so that's where I'd love to head is just, you tell a little bit what you feel comfortable with about that part of your story and kind of how God met you in that.
Yeah. So I grew up in church, you know, go into a little church school combination. My parents met in sixth grade. There was like very, you know, generationally, just what our family did, no real presence. Um, of like scripture reading and Jesus and prayer at home inside our house. But outside the four walls of our home, I learned really early that like church and Jesus was something you did outside.
And then you came home and there was just this like, You would put on church for the sake of being out in public and then you'd come home and it didn't nothing existed there. So naturally fell away from my faith at about 16. I got really, you know, just struggled with like the typical girl things, right.
Insecurity and finding value in the things that I could earn and do so academics, like really. You know, wanting to be a good student or a lot of grades recognition, that type of stuff, loved sports, wanted to get a college scholarship to play softball. I ended up getting that scholarship, moving to Pennsylvania, which Penn state for years D one, it was like the best experience ever.
But when I graduated, like the two pillars that I had built my identity on. Like this extrinsic value that I had learned to create for myself. And not that like God given intrinsic, that just lives inside you like your identity in Christ. That was all lost on me. So I remember graduating and just feeling like the rug was pulled out from under and going, okay, I've got to grasp onto like the next.
You know, step of success and what does earning money look like? And let me lay down all my giftings and talents and the things that I feel passionate and strong about, and I'm just going to get a job making money. So I went to work in finance, like completely ill suited for my giftings. I'm not a financial person, I'm not a numbers girl.
I'm a storyteller communicator. I know words. I love words. I read the dictionary as a young person, which I happened to cross people who did that too. So I don't feel so weird, but, um, that was always my life, like words and story and communicating and. We're leading with people. So I took a job in finance and I set the goal of, you know, if I could buy a house by the time I'm 25 as an unmarried woman, that's going to be impressive.
That's going to make it feel like I arrived. It's going to be really positive for me. It's just going to set me on a path of. Success. So bought the house December, 2006 and then April, 2007. I moved right back out of that house. And in with my parents, I was diagnosed with metastasized, aggressive variant thyroid cancer that started in.
My thyroid in the middle of my neck and had spread to all of the surrounding lymph nodes and tissue in my chest and my brainstem and up both sides of my neck. And it was just super severe. We did not catch it early. I remember being in the doctor's office. My mom went with me. And the doctor gave me just a quick physical exam, like touched my neck for a few seconds, maybe 30 seconds.
Then he stopped. He looked dead in my eyes and he just said very softly. I think you have one FOMA or Hodgkin's disease, but I can definitely feel these foreign bodies inside. Your neck and your chest and all over the place. We need to have a surgery tomorrow to confirm what I think it is. Can you call out of work?
And so I went from, Oh, this is a super inconvenient doctor's appointment and middle of the day, my mom and I are having lunch too. Oh, life is over. Yeah. Um, I, we didn't, you know, the prognosis wasn't good. He was like, it's already spread. It's already in your lymph nodes. Like, well, we'll see what we find in there, but I don't have, he was wasn't positive about it.
No tests, no scan. I mean, just straight up to my face where I went, gosh, if this was. We would have done a test first, like normally go to the doctor and they do a test or something, and then you wait for the results. Nothing. It was, it was like, we're in this moment, this is an emergency. We need to schedule something for tomorrow at 7:00 AM.
You know, your mom can drive you. And I was just 26. I had no idea what it meant and yeah. You know, that just set me on a path of, okay. I thought everything was in my control. I was, I was planning my own life. I was making my own decisions. God was not a part of it. Didn't I would have called myself a nonbeliever, not even somebody who like believed it was a walking.
I would have said straight up, God doesn't exist. I'm in, I'm in charge. And I went from. Feeling like I had control to surgery after surgery and doctor's appointments. It became just this part time job that I had to deal with every day as you're doing radiation and treatment. And I remember, you know, three months into all of that, I had to do a 72 hour quarantine.
And be radiated, like with a pill where you go into a room and they don't let you out for 72 hours. And I got so sick in that room that I worked myself into this scary, like panic. Oh my gosh, I'm going to faint. No one can come in here and help me. And I just became hysterical and I. Lay down on the floor.
I did it in my parents' bathroom. Cause that was like the only room that hadn't touched bathroom. Or I did it at home at my parents' home and I laid down, put my face on the tile and I prayed and I had never prayed. Like I had pretended to pray, you know, like in school and like played church and prayed and never really believed there was a God or steady list that he was listening or he loved me.
Um, but I just prayed and I remember saying out loud, God, if you're real, I need you to help me. This is too this too scary. It's too hard. Um, I'm all alone. And can you please just, can you just show me that you're real and can you do something about this? Because, um, and I think I just cried cause I was so I was really scared, but I, I realized when I got out of that room that I had wasted.
A lot of time and talent and just that the individual original things, God placed inside me and the way he wanted to partner with me and creativity and all of these different things that he made me really excited and passionate about in life. I had laid those down in pursuit of worldly, temporal things, and this was like the, and I see it now in hindsight, because hindsight is such a blessing.
That God just gave me this violent shove into reality because he had a plan. He had a bigger purpose. And once I started asking those questions like, okay, God, if you're real, what is it you want to show me? What do you want to partner with? And help me do what, how do you want me to interacting with the world to make a difference?
I started asking those questions and God very quickly. Was was there to answer them. He called me to teaching. I spent the next eight years with kids and more diagnoses came, but it got easier as, as it went along. Because at first, when I was so broken and alone and suffering in it by myself, that once I learned to surrender and lean on him and that he was there to walk it with me and show me something, then he started to reveal the plan.
Mmm. Which I'm so grateful for. Cause I, I just would've missed it, you know, without this, I always say it like this cherished blessing of being diagnosed so many times and over and over and learning to walk with him. Um, he really taught me about what it means to follow him and how he, he really does have a plan.
And it's not about you forging your own path. It's really about. Like your path being covered in snow and dirt, and you're just supposed to sweep all that stuff out of the way and find what's already been written for you. And it's so sweet to be able to do that. And it's, my life is so fulfilled and like I've experienced so many lessons.
I never thought I would have here. I am. You know, it's been 13 years since that first diagnosed is a very tart time. I didn't think I would live this long, but here I am, you know, Married and have a sweet daughter and another baby on the way. And my belly right now, which is another total miracle from the Lord.
Um, so yeah, it's just, it's such a blessing, but the brevity of life, which you said a moment ago, um, I'm so grateful that I do wake up every day and I think, gosh, I woke up today. There's no guarantee. So what, what do you have for me today? Yeah, sorry. That was a long answer, but that was the best answer you could have given her.
That is, that is perfect. So I just interviewed, I don't know if you've read this book, have you heard of my heart by Julie Manning? No. Okay. Put it on your list. So she won't ruin the story, but she basically unpacks how God has used this cardiac diagnosis that she, that came about during the delivery of, I think her second son to just really teach her the brevity of life.
And she said in her interview, it's crazy. Sometimes that it takes God, you know, allowing something like this in our lives for us to realize. It is you God, that puts breath in my lungs. And, and it is by your grace and your mercy that I woke up this morning. And, um, you know, I have the opportunity to serve you another day, this side of eternity and all of those things.
And I loved talking to her and I love talking to people like you because. I just think it's so special when we can look back, like you said, in hindsight and see truth that, you know, maybe we knew at a surface level, but it's in these seasons that we really live out, live out our faith, and God just shows us so much.
There's a verse that. During my mom's journey, she really clung to, so it's Romans eight 18, and it says for, I consider that the present sufferings of this life aren't worthy to compare to the glory that shall be revealed in us. And it's so cool to look at even your story and thank, you know, 13 years ago that promise may have not made a lot of sense, but now looking back, you see, gosh, the number of ways that God has.
Gotten the glory from your story and he's using you. And I just love that. Thank you for sharing that. It's funny and sharing has become part of what I do. Yeah. Um, but I even remember, you know, back in that early season, we were newly married thinking about, you know, the business and starting. Our company and, and Brent was like, gosh, you know, you have, we've really come through a lot and you have this really amazing story.
You should share it with people. And I remember saying I'm not a sharer. And to be somebody who's gonna stand on a stage or in front of any women and share your personal stories or intimate details or hard things with them. And God's really, God's really done our transformative work in my heart.
So I love your mission statement that I think I got it off your website. So I want to talk about that a little bit, which is to shift the conversation around feminine values from being beauty driven to focus on inherent worth. So we've kind of dipped our toes into this a little bit, but I'd love for you to talk to us more about this and just your vision for seeing this change in the world.
Yeah. So truth becomes her was born out of a season over the last couple of years where God called me to speak on a stage and talk with, you know, it started. Yeah. I was talking to, you know, groups of 10 and 20 women at a time and like a mops group to now it's, you know, hundreds and thousands of people at a time and on the radio with Erewhon and there've been all these massive, big doors that God has opened.
And when we started on the Bible belt publishing side, it was like very much I'll write these books and create resources on the weekend, you know, in between grading papers. Cause I'm a full time teacher and God's not really calling me to step into this space in like a really public way. I can just. You know, stay safe behind the computer screen and create things that we can push out to people for kids specifically.
So the more I kept getting asked to speak and share and come and teach and talk to women and moms, I would just hear from them over and over. Hey, you know, we love your book series, but where are the resources for me? Like I want to lead and influence and disciple and train myself. And I want to be able to impart this wisdom and to be able to grow my children and my girls specifically.
Up knowing things that are knowing different things about themselves, having more of a focus on character and identity training and what it means to really live in the fullness of your identity in Christ and not have to double back as an adult and in a reactive way go gosh, of how all I've had about these issues with guilt and shame and feeling less than feeling worthless, you know, struggling with my.
The way my body looks on the outside and not really focusing and being at peace with what God wants to do in a transformational way in my heart. So I just kept hearing that over and over from moms and women who are like in the trenches with these girls that they're mentoring, they want to impact them.
They want to make a difference. They know God's called them to lead a disciple. So we just prayed about what it would look like to expand the Bible Bell's brand. And create some resources like an educational platform for moms, for mentors who want to come in, who need a supportive community to be able to ask safe questions, you know, a safe space for them to gather and bounce ideas off of each other.
And. You know, pose different challenges that they're facing and have somebody have multiple voices speaking into that. So that's what I love about truth becomes her. It just became this movement toward, okay. Yes. We want to guide the conversation in a real and meaningful way about hard things to talk about for girls and women like beauty and identity and walking with your purpose and the Lord and all those things feel really abstract.
I think for adult women, Yeah. And then we've got that extra layer of like, okay, I have these tiny people that I've called to shepherd. Who, how do I make that real for them? How do I get them excited? And, and working with the knowledge of what God says is beautiful and how they can, um, you know, be seeking after the kingdom of heaven.
Like what these things feel really. Like then we know they're important cause they're from God's word, but practically, how do we create these opportunities and these teachable moments? So that's really where it came from. It came from my own struggle as an insecure, you know, young person and growing up.
And now I'm just a grownup girl trying to deal with all of my stuff. And looking at my suite six year olds going, I'm going to make it different for you. And I know God's pleased too. He's pleased to me in your life. And he's placed you in my life for us to glean wisdom and learn from each other, but I'm really called to shepherd you.
Yeah. So I'm going to have to do that while I feel broken in these certain areas while I'm still working on myself while I'm developing essential leadership skills to lead well as a female in today's world and how to own my voice. And at the same time, How do I come alongside you and invite you into that conversation, nurture that little voice God placed inside you so that you feel bold to share him.
So you feel, you know, excited about the gospel and what Jesus is about to do in your own life and, you know, commit your life to, to not just being a good person. Yes. We all want to raise, you know, a wonderful, compassionate kind. Girls. And there's a struggle in that in itself, like a worldly struggle based on all the messaging they get.
But I think that bigger layer is, you know, laying down. Wanting to be outwardly beautiful, laying down the struggle for success that I experienced that so many girls put so much pressure on themselves. They've got to be successful and really take a turn toward not, not parenting and not leading for success for the success of our kids, but for their significance, like how can we teach our girls to seek significance in God's kingdom?
By sharing Jesus, winning souls, making disciples, like these are the things that light that are aligned with the heart of God. So I think for me, like, as a parent, I really want to do that with my sweet one. And then as I look out into this sea of women who want to do the same things, just about helping, like let's help each other, just make these connections to be able to have hard conversations.
Invite our girls into what really matters and just align their thinking and align all of our thinking more with, with the way God views, you know, the challenges that we face in the world and how we can partner with them to solve some things. Oh, wow. Yeah, man. I love your heart for that. I'm not a mom yet, but I have a lot of friends who are moms and I had a conversation just the other day that really just points back to everything you're saying.
So at the beginning of. All the COVID stuff. We started a little running group, some women in our church who have little ones at home and just needed to. Have at least one way they were born into themselves during all of this. And so running used to be a huge part of my life. And then as we've talked, the last year happened and I have not been running as much, but have really missed it.
And so. Kind of alongside that. They decided they wanted to train for a half marathon. And so we have started at ground zero for all of us, including me. And they're now up to running. We ran six miles last Saturday. I'm so proud of them. They are killing it. And one of them in particular has, has lost a pretty significant amount of weight since we started.
And she has a, I think she's. She's about 33 year old daughter. And she said, there's, there's just been so many moments where I've thought, man, the way that I talk about my body and even the way that it changes or how I respond when somebody says, Oh, you know, if he lost weight or, you know how I process that, she's listening to all of that, you know?
And she said, you know, I can think of examples in my life where maybe. Conversations about even, you know, this is in the physical sense about my body growing up. Maybe, maybe formed the way that I thought about myself and I want that to be different for her. And so even, you know, these small things at three years old, you know, they matter because one day it's going to be formative in the way that she thinks about herself.
And man, that was just such a good reminder for me. And just that, that made that so real to me of just, you know, being aware and, um, Of just how I, how I think about myself, how I, how I have those conversations with little people in my life and all of that. So I love that God is using you in that way and has just really used your daughter to kind of.
Help, you know, grow that seed in you. That that is that communicator and wants to speak into that. And so I know you touched on Bible Belles. You talked about it a little bit earlier, but I would love for you to share a little bit more about your heart for Bible bells. What, what that is, and just tell listeners all about it.
Oh yeah. I mean, Bible Belles was born out of, I guess, a confusing time. Uh, when I was a teacher and I remember distinctly driving home, you know, my husband and I were driving home from church one Sunday afternoon, having sort of a newly married, friendly debate, which is also known as an argument about what to get our five year old niece for her birthday that year.
And we, the only real thing we could agree on. Is that we wanted to give to be meaningful. She was starting kindergarten. We thought, okay, her name's Hannah. There is an amazing story about Hannah from the Bible. It's not really that well known, but what a cool way to like teach her. She can trust God. And when she gets sad about something, she can pray.
And as she, you know, anticipates going to school and having these new friendships for the first time and navigating that, like my teacher brain was just like firing on also thinking about what she was about to face for the first time. And so we. You know, I went home, I looked up the story and for Samuel, I simplified it in a way that five year old could understand it.
My husband drew like a cover for it, but she would never let me show you, cause it's not a great cover. And he went to art school, but he's just like, you can't show anybody that ever, um, cause it's, it's terrible, but we took it to Kinko's and had it bound and I'll never forget. We gave it to her. Like the next couple of weeks later, it was her birthday outside of church handed her this book that we had made, said happy birthday.
And she was so excited about it. But so confused at the same time. And she just looked at me and she said, auntie Erin, I had no idea. There was a woman named Hannah in the Bible. And that, that I could learn about a woman who has my same name. And I, I asked her, I said, well, which women in the Bible are your favorites?
And she couldn't eat any. And she goes to Awana. She goes to Sunday school. She, I mean, they are doing Bible studies at home. Like there was just no meaningful way. And the more we went looking like in the church bookstore and online, we started looking for like, where are the cool resources for girls to access the stories of women from the Bible?
And there just aren't any. Um, and so we got, we were just confused. We thought girls today can name every single Disney princess and are enameled by those stories and all the know, all the intimate details and they want to play and dress up and animal friends and all that. It's like this little fictional world they've created for themselves.
And they're so excited about these characters. Can we do something that will get them as excited about the women of scripture? Like the women in God's story? Who we hit, he moved in their life. Like it was something about their character. It was something about their obedience or their bravery or their loyalty.
And can we access those stories in a way that will really engage girls, get them excited and help them know these women's names and their stories and why their stories matter. In the scheme of like the average girl's life, who's just going through her life, struggling with all the things girls struggle with.
So that's really where it came from. I. Sat down and prayed a lot and started reading books about the women of the Bible. And. I was, I joined a Bible study about Esther and I remember I was 30 going, man. I really wish I would've known about this story. I was younger and just God's perfect timing and being patient and working inside is like, there's so many amazing stories about the women.
And I mean, even just the women that were disciples of Jesus that you don't hear about are the ones that funded his ministry. Like. There re within really do have a powerful place and role inside the history of God's narrative. And I think that's what excites me about writing all these stories and figuring out a way to say, okay, you know, the average girl, she's struggling with her stuff.
How can we help her engage with these stories in a way that's going to resonate? She's going to be excited. And so we did sort of a cross between. Like Dora, the Explorer meets the Disney princesses. So she's like a nine year old. Like she does not have her life together. She's confused. She's insecure.
She's wondering about, you know, her place and how to navigate her life. And so in each book she just, you know, she's struggling with a problem. She looks down on the story of the woman in the Bible and learns to understand that, okay, God's equipped this woman with this special gifting. Right. A superpower like bravery or patients or loyalty or leadership or whatever it is.
And she has this epiphany moment, like, Oh my gosh, he's equipped me with the same thing. And if I can take what I learned from this story and apply it to my situation, not to like tie it up and have there be a pretty bow at the end. And like, everything gets fixed and buying. Cause that's not how life works, but certainly would give her a tool or a strategy or some sort of.
I hope that she could latch onto that's from the Lord it's for her. And she has it any time she needs it. And it's about partnering with God to just get through your life and to be able to, to, to deal with the things that you're going through in a way that's going to be positive. It's going to be helpful.
So. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's why we started it was awesome. Coming up with the first book series, prayed really hard about which women to include. Laura had the enemy in my hair a little bit like, Oh, you think you're a Bible teacher or you think, you know about women in Bible. So I just like prayed against all of that and said, Lord, please just supernaturally.
Show me who these women are for the first series. I knew it was going to be old Testament. And thought, I want to take girls on a path to like a journey from no relationship with the Lord. They would start with prayer and they would move through these character traits in such a way that they'd get to Deborah and hit leadership.
Right? So you go Hannah, Esther, Abigail, Ruth, and Deborah, and it's prayer, patience, bravery, loyalty, and leadership. And as I put that together and that my teacher brain went okay. That makes sense to like build the character traits on each other. I realized the initials of each of the women spell the word, heard.
H E a R G. Oh my goodness. I just cried because I was, it was, it was confirmation from the Lord, like, okay. I, you know, I don't feel equipped. I want to share these stories in a way. That's powerful. This is all about girls. Like. Understanding their voices matter. They have a voice, God wants them out in the world.
He wants us to lead and influence, but do it in a way that's aligned with his heart. And doesn't mean being loud and obnoxious and, you know, having like so much to say and yelling at everyone. But it's certainly about accessing that inner beauty, that gentle, quiet spirit, and we can lead an influence using our voice, going out and being heard.
Like these women and champion the Lord and impact people and bless them. And I don't know, that's just, he totally confirmed it along the way, like through the creative process. And I went, thank you so much for being so sweet to me as I fumbled through trying to figure out how to do it. And it did feel overwhelming.
Like there's so many women and some of them are not that appropriate to talk about for young people and maybe they come later. Um, yeah, so it was just all of that. So I, he was, he was so tender to walk me through just that, that first book series. Now I'm excited to kind of be where we're moving on to something else and growing and creating different things.
But yeah, it's been really cool to partner with him creatively and use my gifts to, to make these stories accessible. Wow. I love how he does that when you know, he just. Will very kindly give us those reminders of like, they'll listen to that. They'll listen to the enemy, look at, look at what I'm going to do here.
And man, I love those, those reminders along the way. And well, I know what my gift of choice is going to be for a little people in my life from now on. I am so excited. I knew and have heard you talk about Bible bells in the past, but it's really cool to hear just how he led you in that. And, um, And I'm excited to introduce some of my little people to them.
So that's so cool. Well, Erin, tell listeners all about your podcast. You're a fellow podcast host, which is so fun. I always love interviewing podcasters because you just get it right. And, and to tell everybody about your show and just kind of your vision for it. Yes. So the heroes for her podcast is basically, you know, if five of us started as a way to celebrate and highlight the stories of the women of scripture and help girls engage with them and help parents and the people who care about the next generation of girls access these stories, be able to teach through them and impart wisdom and knowledge, all the things we want to do with girls, the heroes for her podcast is like the modern place where you would build around your daughter and you as a woman.
A supportive network of positive women, right? Faithful women. We don't have all the answers. We don't have everything figured out, but certainly these women have a story to tell God has worked and is continuing to work in their life. So. The heroes for her podcast is just a place to house. Those stories, those voices, it's now syndicated by Caleb and Erewhon on their new platform access more.
So the format changed a little bit recently where I'll do like an interview and then just me and then an interview and just me. So it's half sort of. Teaching training around leadership and influence and what it means to lead well as a female, and then inviting all of these women in to share different perspectives, different points of view, the things that God has shown them and their journey.
And everyone is so unique and different in the way God works inside of our lives. We just wanted it to be a place to house. These stories. You know, to inspire people, but then as you said too, like we can't just leave feeling inspired and go, okay, great. It feels so filled out, but I'm not really sure what to do.
So we wanted to marry like the inspiration with the super practical, like you stop listening to an episode and you're like, cool. I have three, you know, reminders about real beauty that I can share with my daughter this week. Or I, you know, my daughter's struggling in her confidence. What are. You know, what's a quick little devotional that we can do this week when every day to talk about these different things and to, you know, discuss it in a really rich way.
So that's sort of. My contribution when it's a solo episode is making it really accessible and practical, and then just celebrating these women when they come on. So everybody from Christine Kane to Jennie Lusko Mandisa, I interviewed like I've got all these great, amazing guests, and it's not really about the size of your platform necessarily, or that they're big and celebrity and super famous.
I think the world says. That's what makes you a hero or that's what makes you a positive role model? If you're everywhere and we can see you and you're very visible, but God's definition of heroic living and kingdom living is very different. So I think I enjoy just praying about the, you know, who are, who are the women we can bring on, whose stories are going to impact and resonate with our listeners and just having like a really fun.
Real conversation about like, okay, so what has God done in your life and where have you totally screwed things up and how has he restored and reconciled some stuff? And it's just, it's amazing when you get to unpack that. And you're like a really deep way, and it's not as superficial. So that's what I love about the podcast.
It's so fun. Yeah. I think podcasting is one of my favorite things that I've ever done for that reason, because, I mean, I'm just going to really use different words than what you just said, but I would be saying the same thing. It's just, you, you get to have people on and learn their stories and how God's met them and their struggles.
And, um, you know, for us around here, it's really for the listener and typically the female listener who is. Running in their lane chasing after their calling and God has met them in that. And they just want to be spurred on challenged developed in that. And so, so yeah, I mean, we. I think we're cut from the same cloth and kind of how, um, how God's using us in that.
And it's just been such a blast. So I started this show at the beginning of the year, and man, it's just, it's been one of the most fun things I've ever done. So I'm with you girl. It's a lot of fun. I majored in broadcast journalism. And when I got out of school and entered finance, I was like, I love my major so much.
And, but when am I ever going to use this? And now it's so funny how everything's coming full circle. And like, that's the majority of what I do is create like audio content and like putting it all together. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm using my I'm using it every day. It's just funny. Cause I laid it down for such a long time.
It's just hilarious how God doesn't waste any. Oh, it doesn't waste anything. Yeah. Um, right down to like the mundane or the, you know, seemingly I don't know, like, like it's that season's past or yeah. Oh, I'm never gonna use that. And God's up there. Like, no, no, no. I have a plan for everything that you've done previously.
And even though it doesn't like, make a lot of sense now I'm looking at it going, Oh, clearly. This is so cool. No, I, I have a similar story, different major, but I incorporate life. I'm a nurse recruiter. So all day, every day I have interviewed people for seven years. It's all, that's all I do in my job. And so now administry life.
I I've been equipped with skills that have now gotten me to a place where, you know, I'm interviewing people in a totally different medium. And I had no idea when God led me on that path in my career that. You know, and it made really no sense, but I'm a people person and it, and it was a great job and it made, you know, it made sense for that season that he was going to use that skill later on.
So yeah, I, I love that. I don't know that I've really worded it that way, that God doesn't waste anything, but I love, I love that truth and I think that's true in my own life and just. I love how he uses uses things that we never would have thought would connect the dots. But that's so cool. So the last question that I ask every guest on each episode is my favorite.
So I'm super excited for your answer. Everybody's answer is different, but that is what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given? It's a couple I can't. Okay. So the first one is key. Keep going. That's the first one, it's short it's to the point, but like, and my husband and I talked about this frequently, we, when we were in the season of like, learning about how to create a book for the first time, and should we go the traditional route or like, you know, start off on our own.
And we, we. Emailed an author that we didn't know, her name was Amy Parker. She lives in Tennessee and she's like this famous children's father. And my husband's like, let's just email her and ask her some questions. Like, no, she's famous. Like we can't talk to her. Um, but we ended up emailing her striking a great friendship and she just became like a real source of hope for us and guidance and mentorship and our early and now, even in this season, but she told us at the beginning, keep going.
You know, when it gets hard or when you get confused or even when you have a win and you're like, Oh, this is so cool, but where do we go from here? Like you just figure out the next step and keep going. And, and if you feel stuck, just keep going, like take a step forward. So that was really. That that really served us.
Well, I think when we were celebrating high points and things were going really well and it was like, yes, we're going to keep going. And then it also was a phrase that we just used often to pull us out of the mud and whatever pit we found ourselves in. Or if we hit a challenge, you know, and professionally or personally, it was just, we, we just look at each other and very frequently say, we've just got to keep going.
Um, and then the other one is, um, I don't well, it's in the Bible in Matthew, but I think my mentor, um, Noah Elias, who lives in California, who has been mentoring me for like the last 18 months, he just constantly reminds me like, seek first, the kingdom of heaven. And I think when all of the other stresses and pressures, and if we can identify those as temporal things, things that we're dealing with in the short term, God really wants our eyes permanently fixed on eternity.
And every decision, every choice we make, every opportunity we come across, if we can view it through the lens of. What does it mean to seek first, the kingdom of God? Well, what does God value above everything? He values people. He values souls and the people he created. So if we can think about every decision, every opportunity through the lens of what is this going to do to help win a soul for Christ?
What is this going to do to help make a disciple? Because what, what are we trying to do when we seek first, the kingdom of heaven, we're trying to populate heaven. We're trying to give people access to God and just spending eternity and having a relationship with him who don't have that access. And so I.
I just, that that's really helped me write my perspective when I, you know, look at the things I have to do or my to do list or, you know, the schedule of things we have coming up and going, Oh, this feels overwhelming. Or this feels like a lot of pressure or I'm trying to do new things that are making me feel uncomfortable.
If I can just look at it and go, what's the kingdom ROI. What's the return on God's investment in me that I can. Just purpose and my heart and in my mind to do my best, to be diligent and to always be pointing people to him. That's, that's the key to, uh, fulfill a full day. I feel filled week of fulfilled month, full fulfilled life.
Really? Um, so yeah, seeking first the kingdom and just prioritizing the fact that God, God doesn't want to spend eternity without any of this creative people. Yeah. So just sharing him always, um, is, is something I think a lot about. And it's just, it's probably one of the best pieces of advice I've ever received.
I love that reminder so much. Well, Erin, this has been so much fun. Thank you so much for being my guest today. I loved it. Thanks Rebecca. It's been awesome.